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Home » Articles » Destinations » Middle East » The Turkish Male and the Subservient Woman
The Turkish Male and the Subservient Woman
Submitted by ieuandolby on 2008-07-16 10:03:27 (via
In Turkey the one thing that Christians and Muslims have in common is that the woman remains subservient. From a stool in a bar in Pendik, Istanbul it dawned on me that the day that women are allowed in bars will be the day that trouble starts to brew!
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Submitted by christine on 2008-08-05 09:11:13
ehem..the first thing to come into my mind was "pure discrimination", however Turkey differs indeed from other places in the world, and its culture and traditions are special in so many ways... i wonder how the local people feel about all these? Did you have the chance to talk to some of them?
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Submitted by ieuandolby on 2008-08-05 11:12:42
Hi Christine
I once had a very good friend who was born and bred in Istanbul and we worked closely together for two years. During that time I was introduced to friends and his family, including mother and sisters! Although translation was necessary I could see that they were happy and loved their son to bits!
Talking to Turkish people about discrimination is pointless if they themselves do not appreciate or understand that they are being discriminated against!
For the majority of woman in this category, as in Jordan, Irag, Iran, etc, life just goes on and it is only the few educated woman/men who have seen the "light" or who have been pointed out the difference with their culture and the west who see that there is anything wrong with the situation as it is!
As such acceptance or making the best of a bad situation is how life progresses in many countries!
Needless to say my friend emigrated to Australia as he himself felt that a liberalized woman was far better than one who remained cloistered and perhaps unimaginative due to the restrictive environment and culture that prevailed in his family!
Submitted by christine on 2008-08-06 09:32:16
That is so strange for me to hear!i remember visiting Turkey last year, and i got a completely different idea about it .I went to the seaside and although i understand that basically it was "populated" by tourists, there were Turkish people as well and i do not remember noticing things like this in their attitude towards girls or women. what city did you visit? or at list what part of the country was it?
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Submitted by ieuandolby on 2008-08-06 16:33:08
Hi Christine
I wrote the place in the article! It is a suburb of Istanbul called Pendik. To be precise it is 18km past Istanbul and on the coast of the Sea of Marmara! Nestled between Istanbul and Tuzla!
Were any tourists are found attitudes are bound to be more relaxed. Tourists open up the minds of locals as they have to deal with them - also please do remember that locals tend not to go frequently to beaches filled with tourists! I rarely visit my local beach here yet it is very clean and well-populated when the sun deigns to shine - mostly by tourists and those from the big city of Edinburgh who don't live here!
I also cannot imagine a devout Muslim family visiting the beach were tourists wear bikinis - I never saw that in Iraq, I never saw that in Egypt and so I don't expect to see it in Turkey!
In my 25 years of travel I see and live in places that are not visited by tourists; locals often look at me strangely as they can see that I don't fit in and I in turn have a little window to see how they live in their own environs!
Take for example London! Is Trafalgar Sqaure or Hyde Park representative of London? I don't think so! The real London is perhaps in Tilbury or Croydon, places where people go to work to earn their bread and where no tourists go unless they are lost or camping out with a friend!
I have also been to Gemlik, Tuzla and and few other places in Turkey, all inner working cities and towns that are not on the tourist trails! These are places where family values and tradition count for more than catering to a bunch of slap happy tourists with their cameras flashing!
Submitted by christine on 2008-08-07 08:51:27
you are so right when saying one can't get to know the country by visiting only its touristic spots. that just reminded me about your article about London and Leicester. i guess we usually tend to see just the bright side of the things.
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Submitted by ieuandolby on 2008-08-07 11:52:24
When you mentioned my article on Leicester it reminds me that I must stop writing negatively about everything! It seems to have become a ahbit - from now on I must attempt to write about the "good" as like Turkey I have often said to friends and family that I like the place, that I find it extremely welcoming yet I never really write about that aspect - I will try harder and make sure that my next forays into reporting are on a more upmarket scale - thanks for you timely reminder - smile!
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